Thursday, October 7, 2010

Poking Fun at Militant Atheists

It's fun to do because they think themselves so bright, and such was the spirit of Arturo Vasquez' post yesterday on "the displeasure of seeing this Dawkins fellow speak" and the comments that followed — Seriously? Mr. Vasquez got the ball rolling, saying, "I am a better atheist, and I believe in God." He called his target "the intellectual equivalent of the college freshman who ended up getting a C in his philosophy class because he kept being a smart ass."

Agostino continues by suggesting that "a lot of this 'New Atheist' stuff [i]s basically the argument from the Diegesis with a little modern science thrown in. You know, the stuff where Christianity was ripped off whole-cloth from Pagan solar cults, turned into a tool for control and manipulation, the world is better off without it, and so on and so forth."

Bernard Brandt, confessing to having been an atheist during his Catholic primary and secondary education, says, "I find atheism to be a perfectly acceptable religion for the average adolescent male. No responsibility, no inconvenient connection between one’s observations of reality and metaphysics, no attempt at a large connection between ethics and origins. But, unless one has an arrested intellectual, emotional, or spiritual development, one must eventually grow up."

"Folks who have illogical hate for religion latch on to any moron that has the gumption to 'take on' organized religion," says dominic1962. "Since most folks have decided not to bother to learn how to think, some ignoramus who can use big words and pseudo-science becomes their idol."

Stephen quotes the great Nicolás Gómez Dávila to great effect: "Whoever wants to know what the serious objections to Christianity are should ask us. The unbeliever makes only stupid objections."

Manuel says, "The best description of these so called New Atheists has been to call them 'social autisitics.' They simply have no clue that what they are saying is laughable, has been said much better a thousand times before, and that it is all demonstrably false." He "[a]lso makes a distinction between 'High Church Atheists' (Dawkins et al. who try desperately to convince you of their position harder than a Pentecostal trying to get you to his Church) and 'Low Church Atheists' (reasonable atheists who do not have so many hangups)."

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Blogger Steve Hayes said...

One atheist in a Usenet newsgroup took strong exception to my description of Dawkins et al as "militant atheists". It turns out that he did not understand the meaning of the word "militant". I referred him to a dictionary.

2:59 PM  
Blogger van said...

What's really interesting is the behaviour of the commentators: condescending, arrogant, belittling, haughty, and superior.

Isn't your god supposed to teach humility, respect and tolerance? To love your neighbours and be kind to others?

"The unbeliever makes only stupid objections"

"...Since most folks have decided not to bother to learn how to think, some ignoramus who can use big words and pseudo-science becomes their idol. Yay stupidity…"

"I find atheism to be a perfectly acceptable religion for the average adolescent male..."

"This is good stuff, Manuel. Mind if I steal it and use it in a sermon sometime?"

Sort of reminds me of your own comments the other day about "invincible ignorance."

Or the previous commentator's arrogant disdain for someone was offended by his insult.

If ever there was an advertisement for atheism, this post is it.

Where did it all go wrong, Joshua?

4:22 PM  
Blogger Arturo Vasquez said...

I have to disagree with your criticism of my mini-post. You shouldn't mistake my post for something that says "atheism is sooooo stoooooooopid". I can rattle off names of highly intelligent atheists who I think were hyper-sophisticated thinkers who I respect a great deal: Marx, Foucault, Zizek, Hadot (not really an atheist, but an avowed apostate / agnostic), and to a lesser extent, Nietzsche. Hayek I believe was also an atheist, but I don't really respect him. I am sure Dawkins is a decent scientist, but his forays into philosophy/theology are downright embarassing, and to treat them as otherwise is not necessarily "Christian charity", but an immolation to the cult of "nice". Because it makes you feel better or more pious to just be "nice". Yeah, whatever.

Cyber-piety is pretty easy to pull off, and cheap in terms of real world virtue. I would save your indignation for something that actually matters.

9:52 PM  
Blogger The Western Confucian said...

There are plenty of admirable atheists. None of them are professional atheists, though. To be fair, professional lay Catholics tend to be just as annoying.

Off the top of my head, I'd offer Gore Vidal, Camille Paglia and Nat Hentoff as righteous among the atheists, even if I disgaree with a lot of what they say, just because they're American and I gave up on continental philosophy before I ever really took it up.

The idea that Christianity means being "nice" (i.e. doormats) came and went with the '70s, didn't it? Certainly, the Catholics who fought off the Turks at Lepanto 431 years ago today and saved the West for atheists like our commenter weren't motivated by "humility, respect and tolerance."

11:18 PM  
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2:01 AM  
Blogger van said...

Certainly, the Catholics who fought off the Turks at Lepanto 431 years ago today and saved the West for atheists like our commenter weren't motivated by "humility, respect and tolerance."

You're drawing a long bow suggesting that Lepanto "saved the West". For starters, the Turks were probably not organised enough to march into the middle of europe and organise a caliphate there, whether they won the sea battle at Lepanto or not. And they still would have had to deal with Britain and France. If that had somehow happened, they may have been more tolerant of atheists than Christians.

Also, I'm a TAP agnostic, not an atheist (although Ockham's Razor has tempted me to the latter philosophy). I have never seen any evidence to support the existance of a god, therefore I don't believe in god. Pretty simple. However, I also believe that one day I might be shown evidence, in which case I would be a convert. Absurd as the idea is, you just never know.

4:23 PM  

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