Saturday, September 11, 2010

Give Us Some Truth

"We still do not know the real story about 9/11," says Eric Margolis, acknowledging "no hard evidence to date that 9/11 was a plot by America’s far right or by Israel or a giant cover-up" but also that "[t]he official version is not credible" — 9/11 Cover-Up Remains While Questions Mount. An anecdote and the question I've never heard answered:
    In 1993, I was hijacked over Germany on a Lufthansa flight bound for Cairo. The Ethiopian hijacker took us all the way back to New York City. The hijacker was threatening to crash our A310 jumbo jet into Wall Street.

    Our flight was shadowed by US F-15 fighters that had orders to shoot, if necessary. Where, then, was US air defense on 11 Sept. 2001?

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Anonymous walt said...

I wondered that morning where the interceptors were especially around Washington DC. I thought as soon as the second tower was struck the Air Force would have sealed off Washington airspace immediately. The scandal in the mid 1990's of a private pilot crashing on the White House lawn I thought ended a few careers of the brass at NORAD, especially after pointing out the how incompetant the Soviet military was when Matthias Rust made a suprise landing in Red Square in the late 1980's. I thought the USAF would have never wanted that egg on their face again and let any unauthorized air traffic into DC airspace.

7:29 AM  
Blogger The Sanity Inspector said...

"Never attribute to malice what can more simply be attributed to stupidity." Quite a lot of things went wrong that day. That group of fighters which took off the wrong way, losing precious minutes as they flew out over the ocean instead of inland. The muddle over ascertaining which flights were really hijacked and which not. The muddle over sorting out what the rules of engagement would be, and who was authorized to issue them. Quite a lot to cope with point-blank, inside of 60 minutes on what began as just another Tuesday.

11:04 AM  
Anonymous Abdul Alhazred said...

There WAS a conspiracy carried out on September 11th, 2001 --

19 militant Islamist terrorists, financed and trained by a militant Islamist terrorist organization, hijacked 4 passenger jets, crashed two of them into the World Trade Center skyscrapers in NYC, one into the Pentagon in D.C., and the fourth -- probably intended for either the Capitol or the White House -- crashed in the Pennsylvania countryside, most likely due to the passengers (having learned of the suicidal attacks on NY and DC) fighting with the terrorists.

Sorry, conspiracy guys: that's what's happened.

Noam Chomsky agrees. He pointed out that the vast majority of scientists and engineers who have studied this thing agree that it was passengers jets which brought down the WTC and damaged the Pentagon -- not planted demolitions, not a missile, etc.

He mentions that all kinds of scientific phenomena in this world can involve mysteries, unexplained occurrences, mistakes and misunderstandings.

He also points out that any conspiracy by the evil U.S. government or the evil Zionists to carry out what happened on September 11 would have involved so many people...that it would be IMPOSSIBLE for this conspiracy to remain secret to any length of time whatsoever.

That fact alone should be patently obviously to anyone who is not a paranoid psychotic or otherwise completely delusional.

Chomsky also rightly points out that all of this conspiracy bulls--t, like the stuff surrounding the JFK assasination, is at best a distraction from far more important issues regarding the powers that run this world.

11:36 AM  
Blogger The Western Confucian said...

Chomsky's right. For example, people questioning whether jet fuel burns hot enough distract from legitimate questions, like, "How come Oded Ellner, Omer Marmari, Paul Kurzberg, Sivan Kurzberg and Yaron Shmuel had set up a video camera on top of their white van pointing at the Twin Towers even before they were hit?" -- More questions on 9/11.

"Later they were seen celebrating. The FBI established that two were Mossad agents and that their employer, Urban Moving Systems, was a front operation. The investigation about them was killed by the White House. After being deported from the US, they admitted on Israeli TV that they had been sent to New York to 'document' the attacks."

(More -- The High-Fivers.)

But, even if there is compelling evidence that our "ally" Israel had foreknowledge of the attacks, to raise the question makes one a Jew-hating Nazi.

6:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry Abdul,

but why do you believe that what Chomsky says must be true just because he says so? Does he speak infallibly ex cathedra? Does the world change to suit his whims?

Do you honestly claim to know what these engineers believe in private? Are you unaware that many engineers and architects, who will not go public, are much less reticent in private?

Remember that the Manhattan Project, which was much larger, was kept secret, by an organization that did not routinely punish entire families for the misdeeds of family members, so this claim of yours, is also completely delusional.

Whenever detectives look for an unknown perpetrator of a crime, the first thing they look for is a motive. 9/11 brought the Muslim world nothing but grief.... I can't think of any targets less likely to make Americans willing to give in to demands of the circles from which the putative hijackers came. How can people smart enough to pull this off be so abjectly stupid in choosing their targets?

And the bonus question: which democracy has a proven and admitted history of "false flag" attacks which killed, and were intended to kill, Americans?

HINT: Google "Lavon Affair," "USS Liberty," to mention only the most egregious.


Your friendly neighbor paranoid psychotic. Or is you who is a paranoid psychotic, with wholly illogical and bizarre beliefs about some Muslims?

6:47 PM  
Anonymous Pints in NYC said...

There's a big difference between the response time involved in a plane flying from Germany to NYC, and one flying from Boston.

9:20 PM  
Blogger The Western Confucian said...

Pints, I'm willing to accept that, and the Inspector's maxim: "Never attribute to malice what can more simply be attributed to stupidity." But with four planes highjacked on the same day and not a fighter scrambled?

The issue of Israeli foreknowledge for me is foremost. Did they let us know, and if so, how much?

9:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also there are architects who say that the way the Twin Towers collapsed is unusual for steel frame buildings. Even odder is that building 7 collapsed in a similar way - and it was not struck by an airplane.

When you look into the details, many of the official explanations do not make sense, for example, cell phones don't work at high altitude and high speed (I have tried this.) The difficulty is that you get technical expert arguing with technical expert and it is hard to sort through.

The presence of the Hudson River Film Crew is disturbing.


6:14 AM  

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