Saturday, August 14, 2010

Gerald Celente Talks to Alex Jones

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Anonymous Kristoff said...

Hi

Alex Jones is insane

Also I think that in a thousand years people will be living in extraterrestrial colonies on the Moon and Mars and so forth and no one will care about Confucianism

Blind obeisance to tradition is dumb when we have to manage the challenges of exponentiating technology

Regards,
Your gnarly bro,
Kristoff

1:36 PM  
OpenID arturovasquez said...

At this point, it seems that Marxism isn't such a bad solution, and I am not just speaking as a former Marxist. I agree with much of what the analyst says, but I am extremely pessimistic that we can do anything about it. What, gold, guns, and God? You can't eat God, there is always someone with a bigger gun, and God can only promise you eternal life, not success in this one.

Really, rationally speaking, if the market is such a problem, get rid of it. People speak of the market as if it were a law of nature. It's not, other systems of production have existed in the past. You can argue that they have failed, but people in glass houses... Sure, there is the tradeoff between freedom and getting fed, but that is sort of relative, isn't it?

Americans and modern people in general are too lazy, stupid, and pampered to change the system dramatically. Human beings are too interdependent to go on on their own. One of the only real successful social revolutions in history, the Russian Revolution, took years to prepare, with a class consciousness that took decades to develop, not to mention the failure of the 1905 revolution. No such organization or social class exists today, certainly not the Tea Party. All talk of change is childish play acting.

8:37 PM  
OpenID arturovasquez said...

I am sorry, I meant to say, "you can't eat GOLD".

8:38 PM  
Blogger The Western Confucian said...

Yes, we can and do eat God. One of my readers added two G's to your three: "God, gold, guns, ground and grub." That said, survivalism interested me as a high school kid back in the '80s, but not that much anymore.

Marxism, which I once flirted with, failed. Anarcho-Syndicalism might be a more realistic option. To be fair, the market didn't fail; Keynesianism and Corporatism did.

Celente's other interviews offer some optimism with the pessimism, as he calls for college grads to resettle urban areas and for localist solutions. I'm cautiously optimistic.

11:54 PM  
Anonymous Kristoff said...

Both Marxism-Leninism and crapitalism are growth cults: attempting infinite growth on a finite planet. In an organism, we typically refer to this phenomenon as "cancer".

6:59 AM  
Blogger The Western Confucian said...

Well, the earth is not an organism and human beings are not cancer cells. We have the remarkable ability to create abundance. There is room for perhaps as many as 100 billion of us.

9:36 AM  
Anonymous Kristoff said...

Well, the earth is not an organism

Perhaps not but it does exhibit cybernetic mechanisms typical of an organism.

Not that I expect you to know about cybernetics.

Or for that matter anything vaguely important.

and human beings are not cancer cells

Perhaps not but our economies are cancerous.

We have the remarkable ability to create abundance.

Wiping out the world's primary producers leads to something other than abundance.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=phytoplankton-population

No need to panic though, we've still got 60% of the world's phytoplankton left.

There is room for perhaps as many as 100 billion of us.

Source for this number?

10:04 AM  
Anonymous Kristoff said...

Well, the earth is not an organism

No but it is cybernetic.

We have the remarkable ability to create abundance.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=phytoplankton-population

Remarkable scarcity, too.

No need to panic though: we still got 60% of phytoplankton left.

There is room for perhaps as many as 100 billion of us.

What makes you say this?

10:11 AM  
Anonymous Kristoff said...

There is room for perhaps as many as 100 billion of us.

I ask again: what makes you believe this?

If you aren't a coward, answer this.

10:13 AM  
Blogger The Western Confucian said...

I read it somewhere. I believe in us. I'm a humanist at heart.

2:16 PM  

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