Thursday, August 12, 2010

All Hail The Catholic Fascist!

The Catholic Fascist, a new blog that laments that "the Roman Catholic blogosphere remains insufficiently committed to the task of whiteness witness called for during the Second Vatican Council and the duty of spreading American ideals of freedom, capitalism, and unmatched power," is, I have to agree with Arturo Vasquez, "[p]robably some of the best satire I have read in years" — Something funny and clever to start your day.

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Blogger Estase said...

I will no longer follow your blog if that is the kind of humor Western Confucian approves of. Association liturgical traditionalism with fascism is not funny. What kind of Catholic are you? I think you answered my question.

4:00 AM  
Anonymous Dave Lister said...

Estase -- you like American Power? Then you should like us. We are for such power!

4:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do see the humor and satire in this sort of thing, but it is for a very limited audience. An audience: who is willing to poke fun at certain Sedevacantist personality types in the heart of Kansas that carry around pictures of the "real" pope who is decked out in mideval regalia while standing outside a gas station near Route 66.

Still, this sort of thing would be quite unbecoming if it became public.

7:16 AM  
Blogger Mark P. Shea said...

I will no longer follow your blog if that is the kind of humor Western Confucian approves of.

No big loss. The guy is so illiterate that he can't even figure out that a criticism of socialized medicine is not an endorsement of socialized medicine. He'll be happier at Kellmeyer's blog.

7:36 AM  
Anonymous Abdul Alhazred said...

Estase should take the advice of Willie Wonka (as played by Gene Wilder in the 1971 film adaptation of Roald Dahl's Charlie & the Chocolate Factory):

"A little nonsense now & then is cherished by the wisest men."

8:32 AM  
Anonymous KJJ said...

The satire is pretty hit-and-miss, but if it gets us to laugh at ourselves its work is done.

Some people don't get it at all.

10:25 AM  
Blogger Mark P. Shea said...

On the other hand, CF is revealing itself to be the mere id of Vox Nova, finally expressing the contempt it feels for the Church's teaching on homosexuality, women's ordination, and prolifers that it has never been able to give voice to as it pretended to care about orthodoxy more than liberalism. It scores some funny points against righty cafeteria Catholics. But in the end, it is just another organ of cafeteria Catholicism itself.

1:07 AM  
Anonymous Pelayo Zaragosa said...

It scores a lot of funny points to by making fun of people who beg for money on the Internet. That particular post was hilarious.

2:01 AM  
Blogger The Western Confucian said...

I like the lambasting of Catholic neocons, but fear there's little substance behind it. Too bad paleos are off the radar. There are probably fewer of us than there are Al Qaeda mnembers.

3:33 AM  
Blogger love the girls said...

Estase writes : "Association liturgical traditionalism with fascism is not funny"

I agree. But the real parody are the blog writers themselves who foolishly think themselves expressing Catholic thought.

Further, I'm starting to wonder if Arturo Vasquez isn't likewise a parody.

10:43 PM  
OpenID arturovasquez said...

Not sure if I am a parody of myself, but I do try to have fun.

And I think making fun of liturgical traditionalism is hysterical since 99% of people who speak of traditional liturgy have no idea what they are talking about. And I sing in a Gregorian chant schola in the '62 rite, not to mention having been run through the finer points of Byzantine liturgy in a monastery. So the amount of fetishization that goes on by people who don't know what they're talking is so funny it's almost sad.

Really, I hope the Catholic Fascist blog prospers, though people are right to say that these types of parodies have a very short shelf life generally. The only thing that it has going for it is that the right wing Catholic Internet is such a vast sea of stupidity that a parody of it almost writes itself.

11:00 PM  
Blogger love the girls said...

Arturo Vasquez writes : "I hope the Catholic Fascist blog prospers"

The blog is malicious.

1:41 AM  
Anonymous Richard HEDGES said...

It scores some funny points against righty cafeteria Catholics. But in the end, it is just another organ of cafeteria Catholicism itself.

Thank you, Mark Shea for this critique. We at The Catholic Fascist intend to promote TRUE Catholicism which is out of step with mainstream Catholicism for sure, but also with mere "traditionalist" and "conservative" Catholicism, both of which are far far too liberal. Our audience will likely be small: those who "get it" are the pure Catholic remnant, the "smaller Church" of which our (liberal, but getting there) Vicar of Christ has spoken about.

And obviously because we are a minority, we are going to have to bear the charge of "cafeteria Catholicism" from time to time. Thankfully, though, we have pure and wholly consistent Catholics like Mark Shea -- true Saints in our midst! -- to help show us what a Catholic who turns down no food at the cafeteria looks like.

3:15 AM  
Blogger Joe said...

Mark Shea, you pretend to be an orthodox Catholic but you are just another antiAmerican liberal. Your beard gives you away, hippie.

6:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The site could be fun to expose how lefty anti-trad Catholic talking points gel with GOP talking points.

For example, see this thread about feminism:

"It’s a good thing we had WWII and Vatican II to turn Catholics into good Americans free from “Old Europe” customs, to use the phrase of the great Donald Rumsfeld. Otherwise we’d still have women wearing veils in church. We’d look like those moon god-worshiping Muslims!"

8:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is the satire of satire

3:48 PM  
OpenID arturovasquez said...

"The blog is malicious."

The entire right-wing Catholic Internet is malicious, so if they can dish it out, they should be able to take it.

2:00 AM  
Blogger The Western Confucian said...

Agreed. A good percentage of the blograll has called me "anti-American" at some point. I can out-American the best of them, and remian a Catholic, at least I think.

2:27 AM  
Blogger love the girls said...

Arturo Vasquez writes : "The entire right-wing Catholic Internet is malicious"

Nonsense. And to say it, makes you no different than those at Catholic Fascist who are either intellectually dishonest, or ignorant of the subject they pretend to know well enough to satirize.

Your comments in comparison are those of scorned woman who prides her self on her past domestic accomplishments while hating her husband who left her.

Catholic Fascist says much about its writers while saying nothing about its subject.

4:03 AM  
OpenID arturovasquez said...

"Your comments in comparison are those of scorned woman who prides her self on her past domestic accomplishments while hating her husband who left her."

Well, I can't say much for those Catholics who compare health care reform to "socialism" (without having any idea what socialism actually is), say Barack Obama is the anti-Christ, condemn the vast majority of Catholics for being so "in name only", feel well within their right to convict even prelates of heresy without a trial, and condemn gays as the "brown short mafia". If that isn't malicious, I don't know what is. And I think I have been pretty consistent of my dislike of this kind of self-righteous posturing, so your condemnation of me as a "woman scorned" is most puzzling.

Besides, I look horrible in high heels.

6:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The reason Arturo teeters (on his heels!) close to parody is that a blog dedicated to defending the superiority of folk catholicism and the superiority of the Catholicism of the illiterate to that of the verbally-obsessed academic...and doing so with long, intricate verbose blogsposts rooted in the work of academics is just...funny.

Oh, and the Catholic Fascist is just stupid. Really, Michael Iafrate should get a life.

(And really...asking for money on the internet is, indeed, wearisome, but is there some moral calculus that renders that activity inferior to that of trying to get readers and traffic and attention by disparaging and caricaturing others? Currency is currency is currency, it seems to me.)

10:41 AM  
OpenID arturovasquez said...

"a blog dedicated to defending the superiority of folk catholicism and the superiority of the Catholicism of the illiterate to that of the verbally-obsessed academic..."

If that is what he or she thinks my blog is about, it seems that there are a lot of illiterate people reading my blog, or at least a lot of people with reading comprehension problems.

10:49 AM  
Blogger love the girls said...

Anonymous writes : "a blog dedicated to defending the superiority of folk catholicism and the superiority of the Catholicism of the illiterate"

It certainly does read that way. But it even looks more to me to be just another blog variation of someone who is doing self administered cult deprogramming.

Catholic Fascist on the other hand is the land of true believers, and is more than glad to lend Arturo a hand leading him down their primrose path to self administered suicide, leftist style, while Arturo in turn feeds their vindictive souls with horror stories from his journeys among the right wingers.

None of which is the least bit funny or clever.

12:09 AM  
OpenID arturovasquez said...

"But it even looks more to me to be just another blog variation of someone who is doing self administered cult deprogramming."

Ahhh, the Internet is full of semi-clairvoyant pyschoanalysts who know you better than you know yourself. Indeed, I could probably make an attempt to do this myself in this case, especially with a name, "love the girls".

8:03 AM  
Blogger love the girls said...

Arturo Vasquez writes : "the Internet is full of semi-clairvoyant pyschoanalysts who know you better than you know yourself."

True enough. But perusing your blog is sufficient to come to that conclusion without resorting to reading tea leaves.

11:33 AM  
Anonymous love the skirts said...

Arturo Vasquez writes : "Indeed, I could probably make an attempt to do this myself in this case, especially with a name, "love the girls"."

you certainly could, but the competition for creativity is stiff, given past attempts.

11:39 AM  
OpenID arturovasquez said...

"But perusing your blog is sufficient to come to that conclusion without resorting to reading tea leaves."

It's great when people obsess about you on-line. I calculate that I tend to have two to three major Internet stalkers a year (that I know about, anyway). That is the price of being creative, I guess.

Thanks for reading!

11:57 AM  
Blogger love the girls said...

Mr. Vasquez, perhaps you should note that you are cited in the original thread post. That the post is on satire, which in turn lent itself nicely to wondering if you too like Catholic Fascist are a parody.

If you didn't want yourself to be the subject of discussion, then you should take that issue up with the person who introduced you to this discussion as a subject of discussion.

Further, the interest into your motives for posting, were introduced by someone else, I did little more than comment that to the contrary, your blog was of the more common variety since most bloggers appear to be either preaching or naval gazing, with the second like your blog being the of the more common sort.

Given the above, to to even hint at stalking and obsessing is rather silly.

12:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, Arturo!

love the girls (unfortunate handle, really) is correct. You were SSPX for many years, - something that you never hid on your previous blog, but something that never comes up on the present blog or on your writings on Inside Catholic.

If you were but more honest about what you are working out, rather than blaming everything on NeoCats, you would be far less subject to accusations of near-parody.

But first, let me cite some Foucault as I tell you how pointless Pope Benedict is in the face of the truth of San Muerte...

If I may!

2:04 PM  
OpenID arturovasquez said...

http://arturovasquez.wordpress.com/tag/society-of-st-pius-x/

7:10 PM  
Blogger Phillip said...

"Agreed. A good percentage of the blograll has called me "anti-American" at some point. I can out-American the best of them, and remian a Catholic, at least I think."

I suspect Catholic Fascist mostly parodies American Catholic. Don't recall you commenting there. Perhaps you could start to air your opinions there. Not to "out-American" them. Just to see if your arguments hold up against theirs.

And yes, constantly asking for money on a blog is subject for satire. (Not that you are doing that.)

6:35 AM  
Blogger The Western Confucian said...

Phillip. I've never read "American Catholic" but read most of the other blogs during the Bush regime. There's not as much to dispute now during the Obama regime.

Arguing with neocons is about as pointless as arguing with "libruls" (to use Flannery O'Connor's spelling), but Catholic neocons bug me more than Catholic libs. The latter are merely laughable, but the former are dangerous.

4:37 PM  
Blogger Phillip said...

Then you might read them. You can perhaps find that they're not all neo-cons and your views might even be enriched by their arguments. You can even remain Catholic.

8:59 PM  
Blogger The Western Confucian said...

Following your advice, I took a look at the blog's main page, but didn't find anything that interesting. Maybe a look back from time to time, if I remember all this in a week.

12:44 AM  
Blogger Phillip said...

Thought you might have been interested in the comments on Catholic Fascist or even the ongoing discussion of the use of the Atom bomb. Though interest is in the eyes of the beholder and cuts both ways.

1:59 AM  
Blogger John Médaille said...

I don't think this is a satire; these are real and genuine fascists, or at least wannabees (I suspect they don't know what fascism means). I think they have the Catholic Church confused with the Republican Party, the ruling economic liberalism confused with ancient liberty.

I hope that one can be American without being an Americanist, but I suspect the ones who crow the loudest about their "patriotism" are the ones who have the least cause. After all, we are fighting two wars, and the recruiting offices are looking for patriots. But I suspect such loud patriotism is mainly a matter of poses rather than actions. No reason to put one's actual life in danger when there are others willing to do the job. Heck, the "patriots" aren't even willing to pay for the wars they so vociferously demand. After all, that's what grandchildren are for.

4:40 AM  

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