Thursday, July 15, 2010

Progressive Allies

"Progressive oppose the wars in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq; liberals like them as long as a Democratic president is running them," writes, one of many excellent points made by Sam Smith — How Progressives and Liberals are Different. "Progressives don't act like prudes and prigs," Mr. Smith writes. "Progressives try to convince people with whom they disagree, not just scold them." (This blog has mentioned before the origins of puritanical liberalism — Meddling Yankees and Damn Yankees!)

Paleoconservatives will be happy to learn that "[p]rogressives respect state and local government; liberals often act like they're a Republican plot;" Subsidiarity enthusiasts among them even happier that they "understand the importance of the devolution of power to the lowest practical level." Paleolibertarians will be happy to be reminded that "[p]rogressives oppose the war on drugs, America’s most masochistic and deadly battle since Vietnam."

"Even progressives who don't own guns respect the right of others to do," is a statement that all of us can agree with, as we can with this practical statement: "Besides, why piss them off the way liberals have done, when they could be allies on a host of other issues, beginning with civil liberties." Which brings us to this concluding statement: "Progressives believe that change is produced by broad coalitions brought together on specific issues, but not necessarily agreeing on all policy. Liberals believe change will come when everyone acts like they do."

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Anonymous love the girls said...

Progressive Allies?

I despise them.

2:04 PM  
Blogger The Western Confucian said...

The idea is to work with them against Washington's duopoly, and then retreat to our separate localities.

2:33 PM  
Anonymous love the girls said...

"The idea is to work with them against Washington's duopoly"

Washington is a minor annoyance compared to the evil progressives are pushing throughout american society.

3:01 PM  
Anonymous Kevin J Jones said...

This list clashes with too many self-described progressives I've encountered.

As for the alliance against Washington, appeals to subsidiarity / federalism have their problems too.

First, federalist "victories" in the courts or the Congress are often simply the establishment finding a convenient principle to advance their agenda. Certain types will praise federalism to hide the fact they support an agenda their allies or dupes oppose.

Second, even if the ruling or the law appears to involve restricting the federal government's power, this is not good if the restriction comes at an inopportune time. If the federal war on drugs is ended before the welfare state is(assuming both should be ended), drug users will indulge themselves and let taxpayers pay for their recovery. Bureaucrats will leap to increase their budgets for "treatment."

Third, the reputation of federalism is tarnished if it is used to defend truly reprehensible things, as certain slaveholders and segregationists tarred "state's rights."

3:50 PM  
Anonymous love the girls said...

Western Confucian writes :"The idea is to work with them against Washington's duopoly"

Also, I don't think federalism and subsidiarity means to them what it means to a Catholic.

Of course, on the other hand, there is the Orwellian catholic understanding of subsidiarity which turns subsidiarity on its head, as for instance promoted by Morning Minion over on Vox Nova. But leaving the bizarre weirdos aside who seem to get every Catholic principle ass backwards, I highly doubt the Progressive understanding is in any manner compatible with a true Catholic understanding.

And thinking about what Kevin Jones above wrote, whenever I read lists like this, they often sound good because I at first read them according to my understanding of the problem that is listed. But often not even the problem is understood in the same light so that although it appears there is at the least common recognition of a problem, that common ground is also an illusion.

For instance, the following link there is a list of progressive considerations which we can look back on to see that not only the solutions were not Catholic, but neither was the understanding of the problem Catholic. Or at least not considered Catholic except by bizarre weirdo types who also for instance think that pro-choice is the real Catholic position on abortion.

7:17 PM  
Anonymous love the girls said...

Progressive subsidiarity in action:

7:54 PM  

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